Studio album · No. 1

Forever, for Always, for Love Songwriting Credits by Luther Vandross

1982 Epic 8 tracks 43:32

Produced by Luther Vandross  ·  Engineered by Michael H. Brauer, Greg Calbi, Karat Faye, Andy Hoffman, Robin Laine, Scott Mabuchi, Harry Spiridakis

Epic R&BSoulDisco
Artist
88%
Authorship

Holds writing credit on 7 of 8 tracks

Authorship Breakdown 7 / 8 documented

Who wrote the songs?

Scored across the 8 tracks with documented writers, by whether Luther Vandross carries a lyricist or composer credit.

88%
7 trackswritten by Luther Vandross 1 trackoutside writers
Luther Vandross's roles on this album

Share of the 8 tracks where a band member is credited, by role.

Lyricist88%
Composer88%
Producer100%
Performer100%

By the Numbers

8
Tracks
6
Lyricists
1
Producers
1982
Released
Data Insight

Vandross has a hand in the writing of seven of the eight tracks, and is the sole writer of four: the title song, "Promise Me", "She Loves Me Back" and "Once You Know How". Marcus Miller co-wrote "Bad Boy" and "You're the Sweetest One", and Nat Adderley Jr. co-wrote "Better Love", so the two men playing bass and keyboards on nearly every track also account for the album's only outside co-writing. The one track Vandross had no part in writing is "Since I Lost My Baby", a Temptations single from 1965 written by Smokey Robinson and Warren "Pete" Moore of the Miracles. Track one is a split case worth reading carefully: "Bad Boy" is a Vandross and Miller original, and the "Having a Party" section quotes the chorus of the 1962 Sam Cooke song, which is why Cooke is a credited writer on the opening track and nowhere else. Production is Vandross alone on all eight, the first album he carried without a co-producer's name beside his.

Vandross followed his debut with a second Epic album he produced alone, cut between February and June 1982 at Mediasound in New York and finished at the Record Plant and the Village Recorder in Los Angeles. He kept the same working band around him, with Marcus Miller on bass, Nat Adderley Jr. on keyboards and Yogi Horton on drums, and brought in Paul Riser and Leon Pendarvis to write the horn and string charts. Six of the eight tracks are his own writing, and the other two lean on Motown and Sam Cooke.

Track Listing & Credits 8 tracks

Written by the artist Written by outside writers
#TitleLyricist(s)Composer(s)Producer(s)Performers
1
Bad Boy/Having a Party #3
Luther VandrossMarcus MillerSam Cooke Luther Ronzoni Vandross Jr.William Henry Marcus Miller Jr.Samuel Cook Luther Vandross Luther Vandross (lead vocals, background vocals, arrangement, vocal arrangement)Marcus Miller (bass, arrangement)Nat Adderley Jr. (keyboards, background vocals)Ed Walsh (synthesizer)Doc Powell (guitar)Georg Wadenius (guitar)Yogi Horton (drums)Ralph MacDonald (percussion)Brenda White (background vocals)Paulette McWilliams (background vocals)Fonzi Thornton (background vocals)Phillip Ballou (background vocals)
2
You're the Sweetest One
Luther VandrossMarcus Miller Luther Ronzoni Vandross Jr.William Henry Marcus Miller Jr. Luther Vandross Luther Vandross (lead vocals, vocal arrangement)Marcus Miller (bass, rhythm arrangement)Nat Adderley Jr. (keyboards)Doc Powell (guitar)Yogi Horton (drums)Ralph MacDonald (percussion)Paul Riser (horn and string arrangement)Tawatha Agee (background vocals)Cissy Houston (background vocals)Michelle Cobbs (background vocals)Yvonne Lewis (background vocals)Brenda White (background vocals)
3
Since I Lost My Baby #17
Smokey RobinsonWarren "Pete" Moore William Robinson Jr.Warren Thomas Moore Luther Vandross Luther Vandross (lead vocals, background vocals, rhythm arrangement, vocal arrangement)Nat Adderley Jr. (keyboards, rhythm arrangement)Marcus Miller (bass)Doc Powell (guitar)Yogi Horton (drums)Paulinho da Costa (percussion)Sammy Figueroa (percussion)Paul Riser (horn and string arrangement)Tawatha Agee (background vocals)Cissy Houston (background vocals)Brenda White (background vocals)Phillip Ballou (background vocals)Paulette McWilliams (background vocals)Fonzi Thornton (background vocals)Norma Jean Wright (background vocals)
4
Forever, for Always, for Love
Luther Vandross Luther Ronzoni Vandross Jr. Luther Vandross Luther Vandross (lead vocals, arrangement, rhythm arrangement)Nat Adderley Jr. (keyboards, arrangement, rhythm arrangement)Marcus Miller (bass)Doc Powell (guitar)Buddy Williams (drums)Lawrence Feldman (flute solo)Paul Riser (horn and string arrangement)
5
Better Love
Luther VandrossNat Adderley Jr. Luther Ronzoni Vandross Jr.Nathaniel Adderley Jr. Luther Vandross Luther Vandross (lead vocals, vocal arrangement, rhythm arrangement)Nat Adderley Jr. (keyboards, rhythm arrangement)Marcus Miller (bass)Doc Powell (guitar)Georg Wadenius (guitar)Yogi Horton (drums)Paulinho da Costa (percussion)Sammy Figueroa (percussion)Paul Riser (horn and string arrangement)Tawatha Agee (background vocals)Cissy Houston (background vocals)Michelle Cobbs (background vocals)Yvonne Lewis (background vocals)Brenda White (background vocals)Phillip Ballou (background vocals)Fonzi Thornton (background vocals)
6
Promise Me
Luther Vandross Luther Ronzoni Vandross Jr. Luther Vandross Luther Vandross (lead vocals, background vocals, vocal arrangement, rhythm arrangement)Nat Adderley Jr. (keyboards, rhythm arrangement)Marcus Miller (bass)Doc Powell (guitar)Yogi Horton (drums)Paulinho da Costa (percussion)Leon Pendarvis (horn and string arrangement)
7
She Loves Me Back
Luther Vandross Luther Ronzoni Vandross Jr. Luther Vandross Luther Vandross (lead vocals, background vocals, vocal arrangement, rhythm arrangement)Nat Adderley Jr. (keyboards, rhythm arrangement)Marcus Miller (bass, background vocals)Doc Powell (guitar)Yogi Horton (drums)Paulinho da Costa (percussion)Leon Pendarvis (horn and string arrangement)Fonzi Thornton (background vocals)Michelle Cobbs (background vocals, "I love you back" voices)Tawatha Agee ("I love you back" voices)Brenda White ("I love you back" voices)Cissy Houston ("I love you back" voices)Yvonne Lewis ("I love you back" voices)
8
Once You Know How
Luther Vandross Luther Ronzoni Vandross Jr. Luther Vandross Luther Vandross (lead vocals, background vocals, acoustic piano, rhythm arrangement, vocal arrangement)Nat Adderley Jr. (electric piano)Marcus Miller (bass)Doc Powell (guitar)Buddy Williams (drums)Leon Pendarvis (horn and string arrangement)Tawatha Agee (background vocals)Michelle Cobbs (background vocals)Brenda White (background vocals)Phillip Ballou (background vocals)Fonzi Thornton (background vocals)Norma Jean Wright (background vocals)

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Frequently Asked Questions Forever, for Always, for Love

Did Luther Vandross write everything on Forever, for Always, for Love?
No. He wrote or co-wrote seven of the eight tracks. "Since I Lost My Baby" is a cover of the Temptations' 1965 single, written by Smokey Robinson and Warren "Pete" Moore, and Vandross has no writing credit on it.
Why is Sam Cooke credited on the opening track?
"Bad Boy/Having a Party" is two pieces of music in one performance. "Bad Boy" is an original by Vandross and Marcus Miller, and the section that follows quotes the chorus of Cooke's 1962 hit "Having a Party" with new lines added at the end, so Cooke is credited as a writer alongside them.
Who produced the album?
Luther Vandross produced all eight tracks himself, for Vandross Ltd. Larkin Arnold was executive producer, Michael H. Brauer recorded and mixed the record, and Greg Calbi mastered it at Sterling Sound in New York.
How did the album chart?
It reached number 20 on the Billboard 200 and number one on the R&B Albums chart, where it held the top spot for three weeks. A 1987 UK release took it to number 23 there.
Did it win a Grammy?
No. It brought Vandross his third nomination for Best R&B Vocal Performance, Male, and the award went to Marvin Gaye for "Sexual Healing".
Who sings the background vocals?
A rotating group of New York session singers, including Tawatha Agee, Cissy Houston, Fonzi Thornton, Brenda White, Michelle Cobbs, Yvonne Lewis, Phillip Ballou, Paulette McWilliams and Norma Jean Wright. Vandross, Marcus Miller and Nat Adderley Jr. all sing background on tracks of their own.
Data note: Discogs labels the two writer credits on track one as "Written-By [Bad Boy]: Sam Cooke" and "Written-By [Having A Party]: Luther Vandross, Marcus Miller". The Wikipedia article on the single states the reverse and explains why: the bridge samples the chorus of Cooke's "Having a Party", and "Bad Boy" is the Vandross and Miller original. The three writers are the same either way, so the track carries all three composers without splitting them by section.

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